i think that's a fair comment.
but i am not convinced by the " god" outside the w.t so far, and i think that's also a fair comment.
if god exists why does he seem a complete liability to convincing the majority of decent people i know to associate with his one true religios organisation?
Thanks Rebel.
I actually attended and was a member of the Lutheran Church until I was 50. Just saw to much of the lying and favoritism and men of the cloth committing adultery. (Elders and Ministers )
Then when I needed my church the most no one showed up. My plea to my minister for some spiritual guidance and support when I had cancer and asked my abusive husband to exit the home no one showed up from the church not even the minister that married us.
i think that's a fair comment.
but i am not convinced by the " god" outside the w.t so far, and i think that's also a fair comment.
if god exists why does he seem a complete liability to convincing the majority of decent people i know to associate with his one true religios organisation?
Rebel,
I have been through a lot in my life personally and seen a lot go on in this world that just did not make me one bit happy with my surroundings. Here is where I always get into a world of trouble on this forum! !! I have never blamed my loving and caring God for these things because there was always a HUMAN or THING playing a part in the evil things going on around me.
I will give you a couple of examples my mother was evil, yes the alcohol she drank made her very evil. I went out of my way till the day I put her in a nursing home to try to make her like me 60+ years. She was still beating me up.
I had cancer from my water supply government official hid the fact that there was far to much lead in the water.
We have had many wars throughout history that is because humans cannot figure out how to get along peacefully.
We just went through a major financial crisis world wide that is because we have some major "Satans" working in the banking industry and governments allow this crap to go on. One of these power houses stood before congress and had the gull to say but we are immune from all federal and state laws and still to this day he pulls down a disgusting salary with bonus that none of us will ever see in a lifetime. (Sorta sounds a little like another organization we all are familiar with you think)
My Loving and caring God has walked with me in the good times and carried me through all the trials. On my wall in my bedroom hangs poem. I am not very good at links. It is a poem then made into a song. I normally read this twice a day.
Footprints in the Sand
I believe in God, I am very spiritual, and I no longer believe in the Bible. I do a lot of charity work for children and women.
PS God has made me a very strong lady through all of my trials. I am a survivor and I raised two wonderful kids by myself. I was a very successful business woman and when I decided to go into semi retirement at 50 my clients were not a happy lot. Then at 62 they really were not happy because the remaining lot got the boot except one who refuses to leave. Well he gave me an offer I could not refuse to stay on board.
abuse is such a serious word and i'd hate to use it lightly so if anyone reading this has suffered physical or sexual abuse please know that i absolutely do not equate religious abuse with your suffering.
that being said, many of us were lied to and manipulated for decades.
this cultic 'abuse' has borne fruit in shattered relationships, broken families and estranged children.
Never a JW.
Freemindfade, survivor is a much better term. I am a survivor of both child abuse (physical and emotional ) and spouse abuse.
Flipper has covered a huge amount of the abuse in the organization but there is still the emotional abuse of the children. Those Caleb and Sofia videos and the children books that pale.emperor was discussing on another thread with those horrible graphics along with meeting agendas with no concept of age appropriate material.
Then you get into a JC with 3 men and 1 woman or a child asking totally inappropriate questions.
YES, all of this is outright abuse. If it wasn't a religion it would be criminal abuse.
is there gods true worshipers on earth today as jesus said there would be?
if they are not jws then who are they?.
who else comes close to being gods true followers today?.
Never a JW but walked away from Religion at 50. I still believe in God and I am very spiritual not into the Bible.
The questions I askipped if God created Religion how many Religions would he have created?
Also for those who are or when you were active in Religion think about the people around you and answer this question about yourself and others. Are you walking with God or are you just making the appearance of walking with God?
When men of the cloth can look you in the face and tell you a bold face lie there is no way they are walking with God. Check the ten commandments. You cannot be of the cloth and be Religious and believe in the Bible and walk with God and lie just all does not add up along with all of their adultery they commit and get away with.
I believe in a loving and caring God. I do a lot of charity work for children and women.
i will start this o.p by a review of the mental conditioni i find many former or current witnesses at when they join the board :-.
1. broken relationships.. 2. lonliness/ depression.
3. guilt / shame .
Thank you Rebel, I always enjoy your post as well.
i will start this o.p by a review of the mental conditioni i find many former or current witnesses at when they join the board :-.
1. broken relationships.. 2. lonliness/ depression.
3. guilt / shame .
Rebel,
Then there is always that other group of us who was really stupid enough to get involved in a relationship with a JW. He never talked about his religion or his beliefs for five years then I asked a question and started a debate. That got me LOL an email "good bye have a nice life ". So I ended up here to find out what are JWS and found a great support system.
was doing some research this evening and i think ive found possibly the most damaging awake magazine issue the jw's could have printed.
april 22nd 1970. you can download the entire 1970 volume here: http://da-ip.getmyip.com:8080/pdf/old%20publications/?sort=d.
in this issue, the watchtower calls other religions on their hypocrisy for changing doctrine, upbeat music in their services, the clergy meddling in worldly affairs (un anyone?
ToesUp are you in Florida?
was doing some research this evening and i think ive found possibly the most damaging awake magazine issue the jw's could have printed.
april 22nd 1970. you can download the entire 1970 volume here: http://da-ip.getmyip.com:8080/pdf/old%20publications/?sort=d.
in this issue, the watchtower calls other religions on their hypocrisy for changing doctrine, upbeat music in their services, the clergy meddling in worldly affairs (un anyone?
ToesUp,
We have a Baptist Church that is extremely close to the local KH. This church is so large that they use a shuttle bus in their parking lot to transport people from their cars to the entrance of the church. The lot far exceeds the size of any Walmart parking lot by at least 2X. Everyone in the neighborhood knows when this church let's out and you do not go on any of the surrounding roads because the police are there to allow this traffic out of this church for the next 30 minutes.
"if you are a young person you need to face the fact you will never grow old in this system of things.. why not?
because all the evidence in fulfilment of bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years...as a young person you will never fulfil any career that this system offers".
may 22 awake!
Never a JW.
No wonder that has disappeared!!
But 1969 was a good year had a full time job and was attending college full time AND I was pretty wild back then.
of providing high quality food?.
personally i prefer the small restaurants with a owner who cooks the food.
often the food is equally imaginative and just as tasty as the more expensive restaurant.
JWdaughter,
Oh you just made me very hungry for the foods I used to love. All those delightful healthy beans and homemade breads!! Those were the days, long gone now. I still make homemade muffins for the family which of course I cannot eat because of the wheat.
As for dining out I much prefer the hidden little no name mom and pop places. Our family generally loves BBQ and the initial trip down looking for a house to buy, one of the crazy out of the way houses we found this hidden BBQ restaurant. This place has two dining rooms on either sides of the parking lot absolutely nothing fancy about it. From the time they open to the time they close there is a wait for a table. Last month online a list came out top 10 best hidden restaurants in Florida. Well I guess the lines are going to get longer. Maybe carry out will be an option now. LOL
